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Jennifer Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:12 am
So Rich Franklin vs. Dan Henderson on January 17th.......penny for your thoughts.
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Jake Amdahl Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:50 am
I'm thinking Franklin in devastating fashion
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DFDmike Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:40 am
here is the way i see it:
hendo has never been ko'd and is the only guy i know to have ko'd wandy by punch.
franklin has been ko'd three times i have seen.
technicality wont save franklin here. if dan doesnt like the way its going on the feet he can always take him down. dan will dictate the fight.
i think skill wise, franklin has the stand up advantage... but this is similar to alessio sakara vs chris leben. the guy with the chin and the power punch will prevail via brawling ko over the technical weaker chinned opponent.
henderson via ko rd 1.
sucks though, because i think skill wise dan is overrated and rich is underrated... but this is a bad match up for rich.
hendo has never been ko'd and is the only guy i know to have ko'd wandy by punch.
franklin has been ko'd three times i have seen.
technicality wont save franklin here. if dan doesnt like the way its going on the feet he can always take him down. dan will dictate the fight.
i think skill wise, franklin has the stand up advantage... but this is similar to alessio sakara vs chris leben. the guy with the chin and the power punch will prevail via brawling ko over the technical weaker chinned opponent.
henderson via ko rd 1.
sucks though, because i think skill wise dan is overrated and rich is underrated... but this is a bad match up for rich.
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Mortis Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:50 am
DFDmike wrote:
franklin has been ko'd three times i have seen.
All 3 were TKO's actually and two of those times were by Anderson Silva, who has straight KO'ed 4 people in the last 2 years. Try taking a punch from Anderson Silva and see if you don't go down.
His other loss was against Machida, who is undefeated.
Rich Franklin has finished 22 out of his 24 victories by either KO, TKO, or Submissions.. compared to Henderson's 23 victories with only 11 of those finished by KO, TKO, or Submission.. 12 of his victories went to a decision.
If Dan Henderson wins, it's going to be by laying on top of him for 3 rounds.
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Jake Amdahl Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:50 am
CURSE YOU MORTIS! I was JUST about to make that exact point...
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Mortis Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:04 am
Jake Amdahl wrote:CURSE YOU MORTIS! I was JUST about to make that exact point...
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DFDmike Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:57 am
TKO my ass. christ, we should call it 4 KOs considering he was out twice in the last silva fight. i dont care what the official ruling was... boy was OUT!
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Jennifer Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:19 pm
Mortis wrote:DFDmike wrote:
franklin has been ko'd three times i have seen.
All 3 were TKO's actually and two of those times were by Anderson Silva, who has straight KO'ed 4 people in the last 2 years. Try taking a punch from Anderson Silva and see if you don't go down.
His other loss was against Machida, who is undefeated.
Rich Franklin has finished 22 out of his 24 victories by either KO, TKO, or Submissions.. compared to Henderson's 23 victories with only 11 of those finished by KO, TKO, or Submission.. 12 of his victories went to a decision.
If Dan Henderson wins, it's going to be by laying on top of him for 3 rounds.
Thanks Mortis, I couldn't have said it better myself. I was just going to make that exact point except for Rich has had 25 wins.
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Mortis Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:25 pm
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Thanks Mortis, I couldn't have said it better myself. I was just going to make that exact point except for Rich has had 25 wins.
24 wins, 3 losses, and 1 No Contest
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Jennifer Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:09 am
That's right. He had a no contest decision in the IFL. I forgot all about that and the UFC lists his record as 25-3-0.
I could be wrong and I know this is way off topic but shouldn't the Silva/Cote fight have been rendered a no contest due to an accidental injury? Isn't that normally how it works. I don't see how you can fairly call that a TKO.
I could be wrong and I know this is way off topic but shouldn't the Silva/Cote fight have been rendered a no contest due to an accidental injury? Isn't that normally how it works. I don't see how you can fairly call that a TKO.
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Mortis Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:27 pm
Jennifer wrote:That's right. He had a no contest decision in the IFL. I forgot all about that and the UFC lists his record as 25-3-0.
I could be wrong and I know this is way off topic but shouldn't the Silva/Cote fight have been rendered a no contest due to an accidental injury? Isn't that normally how it works. I don't see how you can fairly call that a TKO.
You'd think. I don't understand some calls. Like I've seen some fights called a no contest during an accidental injury, but a lot of the times, they are ruled losses during injuries as well. That's how Fedor lost. He got cut with an accidental elbow. The guy threw a punch, it slipped, and cut Fedor with his elbow. They ruled it a TKO. Nice little gash above his eyebrow.
And then there was Anthony Johnson's last fight against Kevin Burns, which really made me irate. I never got so heated over the outcome of a fight because of the call. Kevin Burns accidentally raked Anthony Johnson's eye.. damn near took out his eye, and I think he even had to get surgery on it. It was pretty bad. Instead of ruling it a no contest like it should have been, or a DQ on Kevin Burns part (No contest would have been a better ruling, but I could see a DQ also with a serious injury from an illegal move like that), they ruled it a TKO, because Anthony Johnson couldn't continue. Worst call I have ever seen.
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DFDmike Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:59 pm
the UFC always makes injuries losses for the record. unless its due to an INTENTIONALLY illegal move like sims vs mir. hence why couture/belfort and johnson/burns ended the way they did. however, the burns thing is BS.
ok, and please respond to what i said about his supposed "TKO's" i am curious as to how you can defend them as rich not really being on the bubble or at the blunt end of unconsciousness.
ok, and please respond to what i said about his supposed "TKO's" i am curious as to how you can defend them as rich not really being on the bubble or at the blunt end of unconsciousness.
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Mortis Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:39 pm
DFDmike wrote:the UFC always makes injuries losses for the record. unless its due to an INTENTIONALLY illegal move like sims vs mir. hence why couture/belfort and johnson/burns ended the way they did. however, the burns thing is BS.
ok, and please respond to what i said about his supposed "TKO's" i am curious as to how you can defend them as rich not really being on the bubble or at the blunt end of unconsciousness.
So.. if I were in the UFC, and I raked somebody eyes, but made it look like an accident, then I could get a TKO from it? It's not right. Accidental or not.. it should be ruled a No Contest.
I remember the Frank Trigg / Dennis Hallman fight back in 2002 (can't remember which promotion, but it wasn't the UFC).. but Hallman got kicked in the nuts pretty hard by Trigg. They gave him 5 minutes to rest and re-coop, but he still couldn't continue after that. They ruled it a TKO by Trigg, which is not right.
This shows that illegal moves are not really illegal.. you can still win by an "illegal" move.
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DFDmike Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:41 pm
i wasn't saying i agree with the ruling, just that this is not an "out of left field" official decision.
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DFDmike Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:43 pm
to be more specific, the original post stated,
"Isn't that normally how it works?"
"Isn't that normally how it works?"
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Mortis Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:46 pm
Sorry, I didn't try to make it seem like I was attacking you. I wasn't.
I just think the whole illegal move ruling thing is dumb.
I just think the whole illegal move ruling thing is dumb.
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DFDmike Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:50 pm
its all good, im probably the most unintentionally non-user friendly here. haha. so even if it were, it is justified because i would do the same. i can be blunt and sarcastic a little too much when "debating" MMA... or anything.
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Jennifer Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:38 am
DFDmike wrote:the UFC always makes injuries losses for the record. unless its due to an INTENTIONALLY illegal move like sims vs mir. hence why couture/belfort and johnson/burns ended the way they did. however, the burns thing is BS.
ok, and please respond to what i said about his supposed "TKO's" i am curious as to how you can defend them as rich not really being on the bubble or at the blunt end of unconsciousness.
All I am saying is that the official decisions for his 3 losses were TKO's and not KO's. They are supposed or my opinion of how it went. When the ref jumps in and says enough, it's a TKO. It's not my opinion, it's just fact.
And for the record, I am cool with all the debating as well. It's not like we are bashing each other and I have no intention of ever doing so. I really do like a good honest discussion and If I ever have my facts wrong, please tell me. It's all good.
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Mortis Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:05 pm
Wait... so is Dan Henderson going to fight at 205 again?
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DFDmike Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:31 pm
Jennifer wrote:DFDmike wrote:the UFC always makes injuries losses for the record. unless its due to an INTENTIONALLY illegal move like sims vs mir. hence why couture/belfort and johnson/burns ended the way they did. however, the burns thing is BS.
ok, and please respond to what i said about his supposed "TKO's" i am curious as to how you can defend them as rich not really being on the bubble or at the blunt end of unconsciousness.
All I am saying is that the official decisions for his 3 losses were TKO's and not KO's. They are supposed or my opinion of how it went. When the ref jumps in and says enough, it's a TKO. It's not my opinion, it's just fact.
And for the record, I am cool with all the debating as well. It's not like we are bashing each other and I have no intention of ever doing so. I really do like a good honest discussion and If I ever have my facts wrong, please tell me. It's all good.
im just saying, you made it seem like that means he wasnt knocked out... the dude was out cold... twice in his last one... they had to tell him what just happened in between rounds. dude was ko'd. i dont care about the official decision, it was literally a ko.
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